Chris and Dave chatted about RED STATE, his probable involvement with HIT SOMEBODY, that still untitled father/son sci-fi space comedy, and CLERKS 3.

AN INTERVIEW WITH DAVID KLEIN

BY CHRIS GRAVES

CHRIS GRAVES: For those who do not know, what is your background and how were you introduced to the world of View Askew and Kevin Smith?

DAVID KLEIN: Kevin Smith, Scott Mosier and I all met at the Vancouver Film School. Kevin dropped out to save the rest of his tuition to make Clerks, while Mosier and I finished the program. Shortly after that program ended, I was in Seattle working as a camera assistant and Kevin sent me the script for Clerks. Nobody else was going to let a 20 year old, inexperienced punk like me shoot a movie, so I took the last 500 bucks I had in the bank and bought a ticket to New Jersey.

CG: What inspired you to become a director of photography?

DK: When I first started studying film, I thought I wanted to be a director. But shortly after getting to film school and learning what it was that different types of filmmakers did, I understood that I was always thinking in terms of what a cinematographer does, not a director. I was thinking in terms of camera movement, lighting and composition to tell the story, not authoring performances. I had also had a small amount of experience shooting 35mm still photography and 16mm motion picture films, which naturally let me in that direction also.

CG: You’ve acted in a lot of Kevin’s movies as well. Did you have a favorite appearance? And would you act again if asked?

DK: No and no. That ship has sailed.

CG: Can you describe your working relationship with Kevin? Is there a certain process that the two of you go through on every project?

DK: We have a true, unspoken language when we’re on a set together. Adam Siegel, one of the producers on Cop Out, noticed after seeing Kevin and I work together for a few days that “Klein cares about everything Smith doesn’t” which is somewhat true, but that simplification doesn’t give Kevin enough credit. He has really cared about what his films look like for quite a few years now.

We basically start every film by sitting together and going through the entire script in order to put a shot list together. Some scenes that we’re really familiar and comfortable with, we skip. Some we get very specific with. Because of our approach to Red State, although we had a shot list for the entire movie, we rarely referenced it. But we always attack the scene with the same intent even if we’re not actually following our predesigned shot list. He is one director that leaves me completely alone when it comes to lighting. Which, again, is not to say that he isn’t interested in the way his films look, he is. But in terms of how I’m using the lighting to help tell the story, he leaves that all up to me.

CG: Where did you come across the term “dutch rudder” which was refered to in ZACK AND MIRI MAKE A PORNO?

DK: In college, baby.

CG: Will the public ever get to see the often mentioned WILLAM BLACK short film that you shot with Scott Mosier back in film school? If not can you shed any light on what that short was about and why it hasn’t been released to this point?

DK: I doubt it will ever come out. It’s a short film owned by the film school, so there might be a lot of nonsense in getting it put out somewhere. I selfishly hope it doesn’t get out because it was one of the first things I ever shot, and it looks like it. But I was quite proud of a dolly we created for a scene where the camera and the actor were on the same platform that could spin around 360 degrees for 4 or 5 rotations. i had recently been influenced by Talk Radio and was stealing a shot from that movie.

CG: What format do you prefer, digital or film? And do you think there will come a day when film is completely phased out in favor of digital or something else entirely?

DK: I still prefer film. The latitude, resolution and grain are what I love about film. There’s also a way that these things work together that makes film the format I always want to use. But, digital is getting much better and I’m a huge fan of the Red One MX sensor. I think it’s definitely one of the best digital cameras out there and in a Lustre DI suite, it pushes around and color grades more like film than any other digital camera I’ve had my hands on. The day where film is phased out is coming, but it won’t be phased out by something better, it’ll be phased out by something cheaper. And that’s kind of heartbreaking.

CG: Do you have any desire to write and/or direct your own feature someday?

DK: No. I don’t have anything to say as a director right now.

CG: What was your experience like on the movie VULGAR? How does Bryan Johnson’s style of directing compare to Mr. Smith’s?

DK: That was a long time ago. All I can say about Vulgar is that I was a cinematographer who didn’t know what I was doing, but thought I did. Which is a very dangerous place for an artist to be, because you make arrogant decisions. I think a lot of that movie looks good, especially considering the budget – but a lot of the look of that movie comes from a place that was self serving and not necessarily best for the film. Arrogance sometimes comes along with youth and inexperience – but I’ve learned a lot since then.

CG: What can we expect from RED STATE, Kevin’s upcoming political horror film, in terms of the look and mood? Old school 70’s grain or crystal clear modern day cinematography or somewhere in between?

DK: I think it’s somewhere in between. We shot the entire film handheld, and I gave the lighting a singular voice that, I hope, matches a handheld camera. The lighting isn’t as refined as some of the work we did on Zack and Miri or Cop Out – it’s a bit more simple than that. But I think there’s a elegance to simplicity sometimes, just like there’s an elegance to a well operated handheld shot – which I hope we have a lot of. The look of the movie was facilitated by a number of factors, two of which were budget and time. When you don’t have the budget to take the time to light a film the way you see it in your head, you have to come up with something else. So the look of Red State comes from a creative place, but there were other factors that pushed it further in the direction it ended up going. I’m very proud of the work and happy with the way it turned out. I’d say it’s got some grit to it but there’s nothing in it that feels forced to me.

CG: Will you be involved with HIT SOMEBODY and Kevin’s untitled sci-fi father/son space comedy?

DK: Absolutely. Where Kev goes, I go.

CG: Do you have any new projects coming up besides RED STATE?

DK: I’m currently prepping season 4 of True Blood. I’m an alternating cinematographer on the show this season, so I’ll be shooting 6 of the 12 episodes.

CG: And finally, can we expect to see you behind the camera for CLERKS 3 somewhere down the line?

DK: Where Kev goes, I go.

Much thanks to Dave and Chris for the interview — It’s been fantastic seeing Dave’s work progress over the years, and a testament of loyalty on both he and Kevin’s part that the two continue to work together today.

Chris has done some fantastic work for us over the years, and tells us that he’s lined up a few more great exclusives that we’ll be sharing in the coming weeks. Thanks to Chris for his continued contributions — Be sure to check out the full series of interviews if you’re new and missed any from the past.